Welcome to Port3101.org : Your BES Connection Mark forums read | View Forum Leaders
Port3101.org : Your BES Connection



Reply
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Knife Edge Cutover Clarification
 
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 02-21-2009, 11:37 AM
BES Activated
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 6
Send a message via AIM to jskolm85 Send a message via Yahoo to jskolm85
Default Knife Edge Cutover Clarification

I am about to attempt to move our current Professional Server 4.1.4 to a new server that we have purchase and installing BES 4.1.6. Can I use the knife Edge Cutover to do this? Everything I am reading says that I have to install the same version of the software on the new server first then upgrade. Problem is, we don't have an upgrade key for the new BES software, we have a full install key. Any thoughts on how I should proceed?

Also, if I have to just install the server fresh and reactivate all my users to the new server (I only have 12 users so it's not that big of a deal) do I have to do a device wipe first to clear out the old Server information first? And can I have both servers running and accessing the Exchange 2003 server at the same time until I get everyone moved over?

Thanks for all the help.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 02-21-2009, 01:20 PM
Otto's Avatar
Proprietor
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 2,033
Blog Entries: 14
Default

I've performed a knife-edge upgrade (with database migration) before without issue. Just be sure that you migrate the database first and then upgrade it with the installer. It's not the same as stopping services on one server and restarting them on another and being done with it. If the database already exists on a backend server, then stop your services on the current server and run the installer on the new server.

With that said, I'm not sure on the rules between going from BPS to BES. My configuration was BES to BES.

I do know the user CALs are different between BPS and BES, so make sure that you have the correct CALs. How is your current environment set up (single server or frontend/backend servers)? The SRP should be able to remain the same between BPS and BES - only the CALs make the difference, I believe - so you shouldn't have to reactivate everyone (this is all assuming the SRP is the same and the database can be upgraded from BPS to BES without some special hoop-jumping).

Should you have to install from scratch, the devices will need to be wiped and reactivated. If you prefer this method (should the knife-edge not be a possibility), then you can have both servers up and running, as you'd be using a different SRP for each.
__________________
BCSA (4.1, 5.0) | BCSD (4.1, 5.0)

The views expressed by me on Port3101.org are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 02-21-2009, 03:25 PM
BES Activated
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 6
Send a message via AIM to jskolm85 Send a message via Yahoo to jskolm85
Default

I have the new CAL's for the BES. My company just signed up for the Partner Program with RIM and as a benefit to that you get the BES with 20 CAL's. So that is why we are trying to upgrade.

The current BPS server is install with the Database on the same box currently. I would like to install the new server with the Database on our Dedicated SQL 2008 Server. I have not read any issues with the Database being on a SQL2008 box. Would is be best to move the Database to the new SQL server first and redirect the current BPS to that server, then perform the new installation of the BES and reference that database and let it do the upgrade? The CAL for the BES does not allow for an upgrade of the current server (BPS 4.1.4) to the new BES 4.1.6.

Sorry, I am just trying to figure out the best way for me to proceed with this installation, with as little user interaction as possible.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 02-21-2009, 04:48 PM
Otto's Avatar
Proprietor
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 2,033
Blog Entries: 14
Default

Official SQL 2008 certification won't come until Argon is released, but I have also not heard of any issues with it running on that version (one of our offices has done the same thing).

I know with BES Express (the precursor to BPS), the only difference between the installation of it and BES was the CAL used - if it was a BES Express CAL, then it caused the entire installation to be a BES Express (and vice versa if it was a standard BES CAL). To bypass this during a similar knife-edge upgrade scenario, you would first delete the rows in the LicenseKeys table. With that said, I know the installer is different with BPS, so I can't say for sure that this would work (or if there was something else in the database that would prevent the upgrade).

I'd personally contact RIM and see if they could give you a complimentary upgrade key to move from BPS to BES, as to not interrupt service for your users. Obviously with your partner agreement, you have proof that you're wanting to move to full-blown BES.

But yes, moving the database first would be advised (by me) in a knife-edge upgrade scenario. I wish I had more experience with BPS to help you out completely, but I do not.
__________________
BCSA (4.1, 5.0) | BCSD (4.1, 5.0)

The views expressed by me on Port3101.org are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 02-23-2009, 02:43 PM
BES Activated
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 6
Send a message via AIM to jskolm85 Send a message via Yahoo to jskolm85
Default

Thanks for all the help!

I have finished and everything appears to be working great!

I fist moved the Database off the Professional Server and onto the Dedicated SQL 2008 server and made sure the current server work after moving the database.

I then stopped all services on the current server and shut it down.

Then I completed the installation of the new BES 4.1.6 software (I know different SP versions). I pointed it to the current database during the installation and it upgraded the database after I entered the New CAL info and SRP info. All my users are on the new server with the new Database backend.

Again, thanks for all the help here.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 02-23-2009, 05:04 PM
Otto's Avatar
Proprietor
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 2,033
Blog Entries: 14
Default

Aye, good to know the outcome... And good job!
__________________
BCSA (4.1, 5.0) | BCSD (4.1, 5.0)

The views expressed by me on Port3101.org are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
BES 5.0 and knife edge cutover GradyHA Port 3101: The BES Admin Bar & Grill 8 07-23-2010 02:22 PM
KB10278 - How to perform a knife-edge cutover for BES 4.x hdawg Featured BlackBerry KB Articles 0 05-26-2009 12:43 PM
KB05032 - How to do a knife-edge cutover from BES 3.6 hdawg Featured BlackBerry KB Articles 0 05-26-2009 12:41 PM
Need Clarification of an IT Policy Rule d_fisher Port 3101: The BES Admin Bar & Grill 4 04-03-2009 09:01 PM
KB10278 - How to perform a knife-edge cutover for BES 4.0 and 4.1 (Exchange) hdawg Featured BlackBerry KB Articles 0 02-11-2009 09:18 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:23 AM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.


 

SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2 PL2