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Old 07-14-2009, 09:48 AM
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Does anyone install components like Collaboration service, MDS, Router, etc on computers separate from the BES hosting users? I manage 4 servers running 4.1.6 now, and each has all services running locally. I'm planning a new 5.0 environment and wondering if anyone is running some services on dedicated boxes, and if so, do you notice any performance benefits?
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Old 07-14-2009, 10:17 AM
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with 4.x I've worked in environments that have split off MDS, Attachment, and Router services.

Part of the reason for doing this was perceived performance improvement (attachment) ... which I think was never realized as the servers were never that taxed.

The remote router typically comes through as a mandate from the network team, and remote MDS-CS is a little bit of both. The thing I like about remote MDS is that it gives you a single point to manage all MDS activity ... and I've found more of a need to go through MDS logs / data than I have with attachment services.

I think the big thing to really look at with 5.0 is planning how you're going to do high availability ... what have you planned for that; if anything?
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I'm just in the beginning of planning, but my initial thoughts are to have BAS on a separate pair of server, then set up 3 or 4 pairs of BlackBerry Enterprise Servers with all the components on each (one primary and one standby in each pair).
We have some users on IM and a few web apps accessed via MDS, but nothing intensive right now, so I can't see a need to run those services on separate machines.
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i'm going to have 20 bes servers so for me it makes sense to separate lcs, mds-cs and attachment from a management standpoint (and stupid monthly pdf patches). having to change configurations (and apply stupid pdf patches) on 4 servers compared to 20 makes much more sense.

my dilemma has been can you put all 3 services on one box? and if so, how many of these "communications services" boxes would i need to support 20 bes server instances?
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I'm just in the beginning of planning, but my initial thoughts are to have BAS on a separate pair of server, then set up 3 or 4 pairs of BlackBerry Enterprise Servers with all the components on each (one primary and one standby in each pair).
We have some users on IM and a few web apps accessed via MDS, but nothing intensive right now, so I can't see a need to run those services on separate machines.
Exactly what I would recommend doing

Keep BAS separate and everything else shared.
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i'm going to have 20 bes servers so for me it makes sense to separate lcs, mds-cs and attachment from a management standpoint (and stupid monthly pdf patches). having to change configurations (and apply stupid pdf patches) on 4 servers compared to 20 makes much more sense.

my dilemma has been can you put all 3 services on one box? and if so, how many of these "communications services" boxes would i need to support 20 bes server instances?
How many users do you average per BES? what mail platform are you using?
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J, as you've seen in my QA diagram, that's what we're doing (BAS + CoreBES + SQL on three separate levels). If and when we have the need to break one of the services out, we will do so. However, as it stands with BES, I have an OOBE of 350MB total RAM usage (OS + BES), so I don't think this is going to be much different than BES 4.x on resources.

I can definitely see how the distributed model would help RH in his environment. He had also mentioned the monthly PDF patches would be easier to install with a distributed Attachment Service, which I completely agree with (except the fact that we've simply given up on applying these patches in our environment, as the potential for risk is slim given that these are processed 4 levels deep in the environment). I do use this as a tongue-and-cheek example of distributed components whenever I'm in a RIM training class, though
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