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Otto 10-02-2010 09:34 PM

It looks like Auburn should be moving up to 7th or 8th in the polls tomorrow afternoon.

Oregon and Stanford is turning into a good game after Stanford jumped out big early on. Florida and Alabama is umm.. I am watching normal TV now if that says anything. :) Georgia woke up, finally... hell of a catch by A.J. Green! Les Miles is so, so, so, sooooooo lucky! USC looks like crap.

Otto 10-03-2010 11:16 AM

I know it always works itself out, but as of now, this has the makings of being a very ugly ending. It appears that the SEC will send an undefeated team (winner of the Iron Bowl), the Pac-10 will send an undefeated team (Oregon looks unstoppable in an otherwise weak conference), the WAC will send an undefeated team (Boise State), the MWC will send an undefeated team (winner of the TCU-Utah game), the Big Ten will send an undefeated team (Ohio State should finish the season without a blemish), and the Big 12 will send an undefeated team (winner of Big 12 championship, Nebraska-Oklahoma).

I know it is unlikely all of these teams will finish the season undefeated, but it looks like this scenario could be a very real possibility. The BCS officials must be clinching their butts and crossing their fingers that things will "work out," as they usually do, but this could ultimately lead to a real discussion about a playoff system by a lot of important people involved. Imagine a potential of 8 of the 9 teams in the discussion being undefeated heading into the last week of the season. Ouch.

(Rankings are projected and not guaranteed):

SEC: 1. Alabama or 7. Auburn
Big 12: 6. Nebraska or 8. Oklahoma
Big Ten: 2. Ohio State
Pac-10: 3. Oregon
MWC: 5. TCU or 9. Utah
WAC: 4. Boise State

DallasFlier 10-04-2010 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otto (Post 13837)
Considering we play 11 straight weeks, ULM definitely came at a good time. I see what you're saying, though. The SEC can still boast Florida-Alabama and LSU-Tennessee and Georgia-Colorado and a few others today, though. Michigan State-Wisconsin was about the only Big Ten game worth a damn (and it did nothing more than show that Wisconsin was extremely overrated, as I mentioned the other day). :)

ULM was still better than Nebraska's opponent today... :-P

jibi, the reason for my post, of course, was only because the week before you beat your chest about the Big Ten & Big 12 playing non-con easy games while the mighty SEC played conference games. Just pointing out the fallacy of your argument, that's all.

Interesting though, that you claim the ONLY good Big Ten game was Michigan State - Wisconsin. What about Iowa - Penn State? Now, I know, that game turned into a blowout - Penn State was exposed badly - oh yeah, just about equally badly to how Florida was exposed! :)

As for Georgia-Colorado, hope you're not listing that as another exhibit for SEC domination. Colorado?? Really?? :lol:

DallasFlier 10-04-2010 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otto (Post 13839)
I know it always works itself out, but as of now, this has the makings of being a very ugly ending. It appears that the SEC will send an undefeated team (winner of the Iron Bowl), the Pac-10 will send an undefeated team (Oregon looks unstoppable in an otherwise weak conference), the WAC will send an undefeated team (Boise State), the MWC will send an undefeated team (winner of the TCU-Utah game), the Big Ten will send an undefeated team (Ohio State should finish the season without a blemish), and the Big 12 will send an undefeated team (winner of Big 12 championship, Nebraska-Oklahoma).

I know it is unlikely all of these teams will finish the season undefeated, but it looks like this scenario could be a very real possibility. The BCS officials must be clinching their butts and crossing their fingers that things will "work out," as they usually do, but this could ultimately lead to a real discussion about a playoff system by a lot of important people involved. Imagine a potential of 8 of the 9 teams in the discussion being undefeated heading into the last week of the season. Ouch.

(Rankings are projected and not guaranteed):

SEC: 1. Alabama or 7. Auburn
Big 12: 6. Nebraska or 8. Oklahoma
Big Ten: 2. Ohio State
Pac-10: 3. Oregon
MWC: 5. TCU or 9. Utah
WAC: 4. Boise State

Agree with you on this one, could end up very ugly indeed this year in the BCS. I doubt all six conferences will end up sending an undefeated, but odds are extremely good that more than 2 of them will.

mriff 10-04-2010 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DallasFlier (Post 13842)
jibi, the reason for my post, of course, was only because the week before you beat your chest about the Big Ten & Big 12 playing non-con easy games while the mighty SEC played conference games. Just pointing out the fallacy of your argument, that's all.

Interesting though, that you claim the ONLY good Big Ten game was Michigan State - Wisconsin. What about Iowa - Penn State? Now, I know, that game turned into a blowout - Penn State was exposed badly - oh yeah, just about equally badly to how Florida was exposed! :)

As for Georgia-Colorado, hope you're not listing that as another exhibit for SEC domination. Colorado?? Really?? :lol:

You're comparing Iowa to Alabama? Really?

Otto 10-05-2010 08:25 AM

<TABLE class=tablehead cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3><TBODY><TR class=stathead><TD colSpan=4>AP Top 25</TD></TR><TR class=colhead><TD title=Rank align=left>RK</TD><TD title="" align=left>TEAM</TD><TD title="" align=middle>RECORD</TD><TD title=Points align=middle>PTS</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-333"><TD>1</TD><TD>Alabama (58)</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>1497</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-194"><TD>2</TD><TD>Ohio State (1)</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>1401</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2483"><TD>3</TD><TD>Oregon</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>1379</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-68"><TD>4</TD><TD>Boise State (1)</TD><TD align=middle>4-0</TD><TD align=middle>1341</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2628"><TD>5</TD><TD>TCU</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>1250</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-201"><TD>6</TD><TD>Oklahoma</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>1183</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-158"><TD>7</TD><TD>Nebraska</TD><TD align=middle>4-0</TD><TD align=middle>1172</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-2"><TD>8</TD><TD>Auburn</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>1045</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-12"><TD>9</TD><TD>Arizona</TD><TD align=middle>4-0</TD><TD align=middle>898</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-254"><TD>10</TD><TD>Utah</TD><TD align=middle>4-0</TD><TD align=middle>860</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-8"><TD>11</TD><TD>Arkansas</TD><TD align=middle>3-1</TD><TD align=middle>825</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-99"><TD>12</TD><TD>LSU</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>819</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2390"><TD>13</TD><TD>Miami (FL)</TD><TD align=middle>3-1</TD><TD align=middle>769</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-57"><TD>14</TD><TD>Florida</TD><TD align=middle>4-1</TD><TD align=middle>681</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2294"><TD>15</TD><TD>Iowa</TD><TD align=middle>4-1</TD><TD align=middle>670</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-24"><TD>16</TD><TD>Stanford</TD><TD align=middle>4-1</TD><TD align=middle>663</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-127"><TD>17</TD><TD>Michigan State</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>607</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-130"><TD>18</TD><TD>Michigan</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>555</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2579"><TD>19</TD><TD>South Carolina</TD><TD align=middle>3-1</TD><TD align=middle>450</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-275"><TD>20</TD><TD>Wisconsin</TD><TD align=middle>4-1</TD><TD align=middle>316</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2440"><TD>21</TD><TD>Nevada</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>286</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-197"><TD>22</TD><TD>Oklahoma State</TD><TD align=middle>4-0</TD><TD align=middle>173</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-52"><TD>23</TD><TD>Florida State</TD><TD align=middle>4-1</TD><TD align=middle>162</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-142"><TD>24</TD><TD>Missouri</TD><TD align=middle>4-0</TD><TD align=middle>99</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2005"><TD>25</TD><TD>Air Force</TD><TD align=middle>4-1</TD><TD align=middle>94</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Dropped from rankings: USC 18, Texas 21, Penn State 22
Others receiving votes: West Virginia 83, Kansas State 69, USC 52, Texas 33, Northwestern 25, Oregon State 12, Baylor 10, UCLA 8, Virginia Tech 8, North Carolina State 4, Penn State 1

Otto 10-05-2010 08:30 AM

And for our weekly conference breakdowns:

SEC:
Top 5: 1
Top 10: 2
Top 15: 5
Top 20: 6
Top 25: 6

Big Ten + Nebraska:
Top 5: 1
Top 10: 2
Top 15: 3
Top 20: 6
Top 25: 6

Big difference in the 11-15 range... :)

iam4uf 10-05-2010 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DallasFlier (Post 13842)
jibi, the reason for my post, of course, was only because the week before you beat your chest about the Big Ten & Big 12 playing non-con easy games while the mighty SEC played conference games. Just pointing out the fallacy of your argument, that's all.

Interesting though, that you claim the ONLY good Big Ten game was Michigan State - Wisconsin. What about Iowa - Penn State? Now, I know, that game turned into a blowout - Penn State was exposed badly - oh yeah, just about equally badly to how Florida was exposed! :)

As for Georgia-Colorado, hope you're not listing that as another exhibit for SEC domination. Colorado?? Really?? :lol:

Florida exposed? You can tell he didn't watch the game. We were in the red zone 5 times and came out with 6 points. We fumbled twice with one a Bama player not even touching us. Brantley threw 2 interceptions where the Bama player did not even have to move (miss communication between QB and receiver). We held the best running back in the nation (IMO) to under 50 yards. We had more total yards and double passing yards. We killed ourselves.

Do I think we would of won if we didn't make all those stupid mistakes? Likely not, Alabama is more talented and more experienced in key positions. If we meet again in Dec. I think Gators will be a lot more competitive.

But, to say we were exposed is wrong. We have not played well all year. Like I have been telling everyone on all forums, this is about what I expected with the Gators this year. Too inexperienced in key positions and too many true freshman. We will be fine though.

iam4uf 10-05-2010 10:39 AM

What is up with Georgia?? WOW. Are they calling for Mark Richt head in Georgia? How do your lose to Colorada? They are not circling the drain they are in the drain. They need to get it together to try to salvage this season.

DallasFlier 10-05-2010 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iam4uf (Post 13853)
Florida exposed? You can tell he didn't watch the game. We were in the red zone 5 times and came out with 6 points. We fumbled twice with one a Bama player not even touching us. Brantley threw 2 interceptions where the Bama player did not even have to move (miss communication between QB and receiver). We held the best running back in the nation (IMO) to under 50 yards. We had more total yards and double passing yards. We killed ourselves.

Do I think we would of won if we didn't make all those stupid mistakes? Likely not, Alabama is more talented and more experienced in key positions. If we meet again in Dec. I think Gators will be a lot more competitive.

But, to say we were exposed is wrong. We have not played well all year. Like I have been telling everyone on all forums, this is about what I expected with the Gators this year. Too inexperienced in key positions and too many true freshman. We will be fine though.

I watched the entire game. I actually think we're mostly agreeing, except for semantics. Florida's inexperience was exposed. If you don't like the word "exposed", fine, again just semantics. I agree though, way too many mistakes, and too inexperienced vs. a very talented AND experienced Alabama team. I think if you meet again, I think 'Bama will win again, although likely not by nearly as large a margin.

DallasFlier 10-05-2010 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mriff (Post 13848)
You're comparing Iowa to Alabama? Really?

No, comparing ranked-ranked games - for which jibi dutifully listed all the SEC games and left out a significant Big Ten one. Anticipating his likely comeback that "it was just a blowout" I figured it was worth reminding him that so was one of the key SEC games. ;)

iam4uf 10-06-2010 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DallasFlier (Post 13856)
I watched the entire game. I actually think we're mostly agreeing, except for semantics. Florida's inexperience was exposed. If you don't like the word "exposed", fine, again just semantics. I agree though, way too many mistakes, and too inexperienced vs. a very talented AND experienced Alabama team. I think if you meet again, I think 'Bama will win again, although likely not by nearly as large a margin.

I think if we meet again we will have to play a great game and they will have to make some mistakes.. As Jim Rome said "right now, it is Alabama and everyone else."

Auburn has a shot though.. I have seen too many rivalries games, still a long season left to be played for sure.

DallasFlier 10-06-2010 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iam4uf (Post 13859)
I think if we meet again we will have to play a great game and they will have to make some mistakes.. As Jim Rome said "right now, it is Alabama and everyone else."

Auburn has a shot though.. I have seen too many rivalries games, still a long season left to be played for sure.

Well, this may be a historical first. Can't disagree with anything you said in that post, iam4uf! :cool:

mriff 10-08-2010 07:05 AM

Now that's a proper beat down DF!

Otto 10-08-2010 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iam4uf (Post 13859)
I think if we meet again we will have to play a great game and they will have to make some mistakes.. As Jim Rome said "right now, it is Alabama and everyone else."

Auburn has a shot though.. I have seen too many rivalries games, still a long season left to be played for sure.

If we make it through to the Iron Bowl undefeated, which will be a lot to ask, it could be a very good game. Keep in mind that a much less talented and a much thinner depth Auburn team took a bit better Alabama team to the final seconds last season. It could be interesting, to say the least. Auburn and Alabama have only ever met undefeated once in the past ... in 1971 (the Tide lost to the Huskers in the national championship game).

mriff 10-09-2010 09:52 AM

I hope they are both undefeated. And I hope AU wins that game. If UF can get their shit together, we'll win the East. Just not sure if the East can stand up to the West this year.

Otto 10-10-2010 09:11 AM

So much for that thought... :-/ Alabama loses. Auburn escapes. The Mad Hatter strikes in Gainesville.

mriff 10-10-2010 12:23 PM

Yeah. Pretty much stick a fork in us. I don't see us beating SC.

But I can tell you that I'll be a War Damn Eagle next weekend. I really hope you guys put a beat down on LSU.

Otto 10-10-2010 12:24 PM

<TABLE class=tablehead cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3><TBODY><TR class=stathead><TD colSpan=4>USA Today Poll</TD></TR><TR class=colhead><TD title=Rank align=left>RK</TD><TD title="" align=left>TEAM</TD><TD title="" align=middle>RECORD</TD><TD title=Points align=middle>PTS</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-194"><TD>1</TD><TD>Ohio State (49)</TD><TD align=middle>6-0</TD><TD align=middle>1455</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-2483"><TD>2</TD><TD>Oregon (6)</TD><TD align=middle>6-0</TD><TD align=middle>1388</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-68"><TD>3</TD><TD>Boise State (1)</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>1335</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-158"><TD>4</TD><TD>Nebraska (2)</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>1272</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2628"><TD>5</TD><TD>TCU (1)</TD><TD align=middle>6-0</TD><TD align=middle>1213</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-201"><TD>6</TD><TD>Oklahoma</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>1193</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2"><TD>7</TD><TD>Auburn</TD><TD align=middle>6-0</TD><TD align=middle>1060</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-333"><TD>8</TD><TD>Alabama</TD><TD align=middle>5-1</TD><TD align=middle>1029</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-99"><TD>9</TD><TD>LSU</TD><TD align=middle>6-0</TD><TD align=middle>1021</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-254"><TD>10</TD><TD>Utah</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>940</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-127"><TD>11</TD><TD>Michigan State</TD><TD align=middle>6-0</TD><TD align=middle>838</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-2579"><TD>12</TD><TD>South Carolina</TD><TD align=middle>4-1</TD><TD align=middle>835</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-8"><TD>13</TD><TD>Arkansas</TD><TD align=middle>4-1</TD><TD align=middle>780</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-2294"><TD>14</TD><TD>Iowa</TD><TD align=middle>4-1</TD><TD align=middle>710</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-24"><TD>15</TD><TD>Stanford</TD><TD align=middle>5-1</TD><TD align=middle>618</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-275"><TD>16</TD><TD>Wisconsin</TD><TD align=middle>5-1</TD><TD align=middle>542</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-52"><TD>17</TD><TD>Florida State</TD><TD align=middle>5-1</TD><TD align=middle>496</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-197"><TD>18</TD><TD>Oklahoma State</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>478</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-142"><TD>19</TD><TD>Missouri</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>434</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-12"><TD>20</TD><TD>Arizona</TD><TD align=middle>4-1</TD><TD align=middle>367</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2440"><TD>21</TD><TD>Nevada</TD><TD align=middle>6-0</TD><TD align=middle>329</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-57"><TD>22</TD><TD>Florida</TD><TD align=middle>4-2</TD><TD align=middle>242</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2005"><TD>23</TD><TD>Air Force</TD><TD align=middle>5-1</TD><TD align=middle>151</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-130"><TD>24</TD><TD>Michigan</TD><TD align=middle>5-1</TD><TD align=middle>137</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-277"><TD>25</TD><TD>West Virginia</TD><TD align=middle>4-1</TD><TD align=middle>88</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Otto 10-10-2010 01:15 PM

<TABLE class=tablehead cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3><TBODY><TR class=stathead><TD colSpan=4>AP Top 25</TD></TR><TR class=colhead><TD title=Rank align=left>RK</TD><TD title="" align=left>TEAM</TD><TD title="" align=middle>RECORD</TD><TD title=Points align=middle>PTS</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-194"><TD>1</TD><TD>Ohio State (34)</TD><TD align=middle>6-0</TD><TD align=middle>1453</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-2483"><TD>2</TD><TD>Oregon (15)</TD><TD align=middle>6-0</TD><TD align=middle>1427</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-68"><TD>3</TD><TD>Boise State (8)</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>1395</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-2628"><TD>4</TD><TD>TCU (1)</TD><TD align=middle>6-0</TD><TD align=middle>1304</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-158"><TD>5</TD><TD>Nebraska</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>1236</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-201"><TD>6</TD><TD>Oklahoma (2)</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>1225</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2"><TD>7</TD><TD>Auburn</TD><TD align=middle>6-0</TD><TD align=middle>1104</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-333"><TD>8</TD><TD>Alabama</TD><TD align=middle>5-1</TD><TD align=middle>1021</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-99"><TD>9</TD><TD>LSU</TD><TD align=middle>6-0</TD><TD align=middle>999</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-2579"><TD>10</TD><TD>South Carolina</TD><TD align=middle>4-1</TD><TD align=middle>978</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-254"><TD>11</TD><TD>Utah</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>926</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-8"><TD>12</TD><TD>Arkansas</TD><TD align=middle>4-1</TD><TD align=middle>813</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-127"><TD>13</TD><TD>Michigan State</TD><TD align=middle>6-0</TD><TD align=middle>806</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-24"><TD>14</TD><TD>Stanford</TD><TD align=middle>5-1</TD><TD align=middle>732</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2294"><TD>15</TD><TD>Iowa</TD><TD align=middle>4-1</TD><TD align=middle>648</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-52"><TD>16</TD><TD>Florida State</TD><TD align=middle>5-1</TD><TD align=middle>547</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-12"><TD>17</TD><TD>Arizona</TD><TD align=middle>4-1</TD><TD align=middle>472</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-275"><TD>18</TD><TD>Wisconsin</TD><TD align=middle>5-1</TD><TD align=middle>410</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2440"><TD>19</TD><TD>Nevada</TD><TD align=middle>6-0</TD><TD align=middle>376</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-197"><TD>20</TD><TD>Oklahoma State</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>348</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-142"><TD>21</TD><TD>Missouri</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=middle>298</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-57"><TD>22</TD><TD>Florida</TD><TD align=middle>4-2</TD><TD align=middle>209</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2005"><TD>23</TD><TD>Air Force</TD><TD align=middle>5-1</TD><TD align=middle>187</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-204"><TD>24</TD><TD>Oregon State</TD><TD align=middle>3-2</TD><TD align=middle>186</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-277"><TD>25</TD><TD>West Virginia</TD><TD align=middle>4-1</TD><TD align=middle>141</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Otto 10-10-2010 01:19 PM

And for our weekly conference breakdowns:

SEC:
Top 5: 0
Top 10: 4
Top 15: 5
Top 20: 5
Top 25: 6

Big Ten + Nebraska:
Top 5: 2
Top 10: 2
Top 15: 4
Top 20: 5
Top 25: 5

DallasFlier 10-10-2010 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mriff (Post 13877)
I hope they are both undefeated. And I hope AU wins that game. If UF can get their shit together, we'll win the East. Just not sure if the East can stand up to the West this year.

I wasn't surprised that the Gators lost to 'Bama. I was surprised that they lost to LSU.

But of course the real shocker yesterday was 'Bama's loss, for sure. That loss was actually a good thing for the Huskers. If we win out, we still need a little help, and that may have been just the upset we needed - provided we take care of business, of course.

DallasFlier 10-10-2010 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otto (Post 13851)
And for our weekly conference breakdowns:

SEC:
Top 5: 1
Top 10: 2
Top 15: 5
Top 20: 6
Top 25: 6

Big Ten + Nebraska:
Top 5: 1
Top 10: 2
Top 15: 3
Top 20: 6
Top 25: 6

Big difference in the 11-15 range... :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otto (Post 13882)
And for our weekly conference breakdowns:

SEC:
Top 5: 0
Top 10: 4
Top 15: 5
Top 20: 5
Top 25: 6

Big Ten + Nebraska:
Top 5: 2
Top 10: 2
Top 15: 4
Top 20: 5
Top 25: 5

And... in keeping with your comment of a week ago, big difference in the 1-5 range, huh? ;) :)

iam4uf 10-16-2010 11:16 AM

Man, quiet board this season. Well, my Gators play miss state with Dan Mullin. I think we win pretty good here, our offense really needs a good game.

I really don't understand the whole Nebraska/Texas hype. All the talking heads talking about it all Week. Am I the only one in America who thinks this is a no game? I mean unranked Texas playing the #5 team in the country. Nebraska wind by AT LEAST 2 touchdowns..

I hate to say it but I think Arkansas beats Auburn.. Arkansas has too much offense IMO for Auburn.

Otto 10-17-2010 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DallasFlier (Post 13884)
And... in keeping with your comment of a week ago, big difference in the 1-5 range, huh? ;) :)

Guess that will flip-flop tomorrow... :-P

Otto 10-17-2010 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iam4uf (Post 13906)
Man, quiet board this season. Well, my Gators play miss state with Dan Mullin. I think we win pretty good here, our offense really needs a good game.

I really don't understand the whole Nebraska/Texas hype. All the talking heads talking about it all Week. Am I the only one in America who thinks this is a no game? I mean unranked Texas playing the #5 team in the country. Nebraska wind by AT LEAST 2 touchdowns..

I hate to say it but I think Arkansas beats Auburn.. Arkansas has too much offense IMO for Auburn.

...and yet Auburn scores 4 TDs in 5 minutes to win by 22 points. I think I am going to start asking you to predict more games and bet the other way... :-P

Otto 10-17-2010 12:32 AM

Imagine what would have happened to the 2010 Florida Gators if you had this guy still on your team... if he wasn't the frontrunner for the Heisman last week, watch him burn past everyone this week. Dude is a S-T-U-D!

http://www.twoeighteighty.com/P1010773.JPG

iam4uf 10-17-2010 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otto (Post 13908)
...and yet Auburn scores 4 TDs in 5 minutes to win by 22 points. I think I am going to start asking you to predict more games and bet the other way... :-P

Yeah I was way off on the predictions.. cant believe Nebraska lost. But, don't get too cocky you know as well as I do if Mallet doesn't get hurt that is a different game.

iam4uf 10-17-2010 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Otto (Post 13909)
Imagine what would have happened to the 2010 Florida Gators if you had this guy still on your team... if he wasn't the frontrunner for the Heisman last week, watch him burn past everyone this week. Dude is a S-T-U-D!

http://www.twoeighteighty.com/P1010773.JPG

Well, he might still be if he didn't get charged with felony counts of burglary, larceny and obstructing justice. I am VERY familiar with the situation that happened with him at Florida. He was basically told he would be kicked off the team and his father spoke with officials at Florida and they said he would just transfer. Please do not make it sound like he left for his own reasons because that is FAR from the truth. It's like telling an employee you are going to be fired and they say they are going to resign first.

That being said, no doubt he is a huge talent. He was a huge talent coming into Florida and your right he would fit PERFECT fit in our system for sure.

iam4uf 10-17-2010 02:18 PM

Wow, just saw highlights of the Auburn game. They got some HUGE calls there way. The one on the goal line was clearly a fumble and the one at the end to me shows the Arkansas guys knee was down. Two bad calls IMO. College game days guys all said the fumble was a bad call. Guess there are just games where things go your way.

Otto 10-17-2010 03:13 PM

The one on the goal line came just after the "pass interference" call on 3rd and goal from the 2 for Arkansas. The ball was nowhere near catchable and our guy barely touched their receiver (not holding and not enough to knock him from being able to catch the ball about 10 feet away). I would say that it was more of a gimme. Trust me, Mario's fumble happened on my side of the end zone and no one in the stands understood what had just transpired. The odd thing about that play was that it was a lot closer than it looked (although it wasn't a TD and I will admit that)... the ball came out and went back 1.5-2 yards and sat still, so it looked like the fumble happened at the 2 yard line rather than well inside the 1 yard line. The refs put the ball down on the 5 yard line and practically every Auburn fan was yelling at the coaches for letting Mario touch the ball. Dyer being hurt really had a huge impact on our options, though (it was great when he finally broke one for a long TD and hobbled nearly 40 yards on a bum knee ... he was getting some safe carries in mop-up duty simply because it was against his state school).

As for the Mallett situation, let's get real for a minute. The backup, in my opinion, was probably just as good as Mallett. Mallett threw 3 INTs against Alabama's defense, so I'm not really sure that one or two would not have been thrown had he not been injured. Wilson finished 25 of 34 for 332 yards and 4 TDs (and the two crucial INTs). He actually brought a vertical passing game to the Razorbacks who had previously not thrown a single deep completion with Mallett in the game. Wilson's first throw was an incompletion ... his next FOURTEEN passes were completed. Prior to that first INT, he was 16 of 18 for 290 yards and 4 TDs and a 2-point conversion. You really can't say that Mallett being hurt resulted in much of a drop-off in this area. That's a 297.56 passer rating!

As for their fumble that was picked up by Zac and returned for a TD, take a look here. His knee was not on the ground. Craig Stevens positioned his hand on the side of the RB's knee on the way down. His knee landed on Craig's hand and never touched the ground (not even after his legs came back up). I'm not saying we did not benefit from the controversial "ruling on the field" in either case, but video evidence does show that his knee was not down and the ball did come out while he was on top of Mike Blanc with his body and Craig Stevens' hand with his knee.

http://www.twoeighteighty.com/fumble-1.jpg

http://www.twoeighteighty.com/fumble-2.jpg

http://www.twoeighteighty.com/fumble-3.jpg

iam4uf 10-18-2010 10:45 AM

Yeah, the fumble was close for sure, it looks like he landed on the auburn player and not the ground which would mean he wasn't down. I am really looking forward to the Auburn/Alabama game. That should be a good one.

Dude, how bad is the SEC East? We are still in the hunt with 3 losses?? Are you kidding me? I have not seen the east this bad in a LONG time.

DallasFlier 10-18-2010 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by iam4uf (Post 13910)
Yeah I was way off on the predictions.. cant believe Nebraska lost. But, don't get too cocky you know as well as I do if Mallet doesn't get hurt that is a different game.

You and me both! But as painful as it was, we didn't deserve to win that game. Give Texas credit for shutting down the run, but Taylor (and then Zac) were both throwing some pretty good passes. We had EIGHT drops of balls right on the target, of which FOUR were almost sure-bet touchdowns. Catch just two of those, and we win the game. I know a receiver can have a bad day, but somehow every single one of our guys had a bad day on the same day. We couldn't catch SHIT! :o

I don't think Auburn will end up unbeaten by the end of the season. Oh, and jibi, do you guys know the word d-e-f-e-n-s-e??? 108 points in regulation? Yikes, seems not that long ago we were hearing about the SEC and their lockdown defenses.

Otto 10-19-2010 10:40 AM

We will face the best defense in the conference this week. I am interested to see how Cam does. In all honesty, we will finish 12-0 at best or 10-2 at worst for the regular season. If we beat LSU and Cam has another breakout game, go ahead and pencil him in for the Heisman. Over the next week or two, Cam will start breaking school records that are tied to legends at AU. This week, he should break the single season "points resposible for" and "touchdowns responsibile for" records held by Pat Sullivan (1971 Heisman winner). Over the next two weeks, if he stays on pace, he will break the single season rushing TDs record held by Carnell Williams and Bo Jackson (1985 Heisman winner).

Cam is currently leading the nation in points responsibe for with 150 (passing, rushing, returns, etc ... total points). He's averaging 3.5 TDs per game, which is insane. Also, his numbers are almost equal to Tebow's Heisman campaign (more rushing, less passing).

DallasFlier 10-19-2010 12:33 PM

There's no debating Cam Newton's athletic prowess. On the other hand, interesting how his criminal past at Florida seems to be swept under the carpet. Or maybe not - Auburn themselves playing up the "thug" factor? Rather strange...

http://i.imgur.com/k7cMz.jpg

iam4uf 10-19-2010 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DallasFlier (Post 13922)
There's no debating Cam Newton's athletic prowess. On the other hand, interesting how his criminal past at Florida seems to be swept under the carpet. Or maybe not - Auburn themselves playing up the "thug" factor? Rather strange...

http://i.imgur.com/k7cMz.jpg

Actually the kid made a mistake and paid for it. I really think he is a great kid from a great family. Since the one situation at Florida he has been clean as far as I know. He was arrested for throwing a laptop out a window, wasn't like he beat his girlfriend, stabbed someone etc.. . I think he is a good kid overall and wish him success. Gator Nation loved the kid.

DallasFlier 10-19-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by iam4uf (Post 13923)
Actually the kid made a mistake and paid for it. I really think he is a great kid from a great family. Since the one situation at Florida he has been clean as far as I know. He was arrested for throwing a laptop out a window, wasn't like he beat his girlfriend, stabbed someone etc.. . I think he is a good kid overall and wish him success. Gator Nation loved the kid.

I'll defer to your knowledge, I wasn't really following it closely at the time. Mainly, I just found it really strange that apparently AuburnSports.com is posting a picture of him with Auburn gear, titled "Thug Life."

iam4uf 10-20-2010 04:39 PM

Yeah, that is weird. Maybe some things happened since he left Florida I don't know.

iam4uf 10-21-2010 06:28 PM

Good article on Cam Newton.

"If it was up to me, I would still want to be at Florida," Newton said earlier this week. "

Past helps Auburn Tigers quarterback Cam Newton appreciate present - ESPN

Otto 10-22-2010 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DallasFlier (Post 13924)
I'll defer to your knowledge, I wasn't really following it closely at the time. Mainly, I just found it really strange that apparently AuburnSports.com is posting a picture of him with Auburn gear, titled "Thug Life."

If it was posted on the Auburn Rivals site, it was likely a joke. I know the original picture was posted there and I would presume that "Thug Life" was added at a later time by someone not associated to the site and it wasn't posted there by Jeffrey Lee or his staff. As iam4uf said, he has a good family. His father is actually the leader of a church on Temple Street no further than 5 miles from my house, so he definitely has a good background (although I would question the political side of his father's church, but that is another story).

Here's a really good article on Cam and what he's doing in the Auburn community:
AuburnSports.com - Newton giving back

mriff 10-23-2010 08:10 PM

http://iqfb.com/wp-content/uploads/2...man-trophy.jpg

Otto 10-24-2010 11:14 AM

Just friggin' incredible... look at the extra gear at the end. WOW!

YouTube - (HD) Cam Newton's 49 yrd TD run vs. LSU (10.23.10)

DF, can I drink the koolaid yet? I know we still have increasingly improving Ole Miss and Georgia BEFORE the Iron Bowl against a likely Top 5 opponent in Alabama, but... BCS projections have us at #1 heading into tonight's BCS show.

mriff 10-24-2010 01:09 PM

I hope AU runs the table. If they do, the only time I may pull against AU is if UF finds a way to stumble into the championship game. High odds I know, but if we beat UGA and SC, we could get there. Now that's some koolaid! :lol:

iam4uf 10-25-2010 09:29 AM

I'm rooting for Auburn for sure. Cam is a complete stud!! But, I knew that when he was with the Gators :(

iam4uf 10-25-2010 02:09 PM

Auburn #1 in the BCS. Alabama I still think is the best team in college football, then Auburn. I don't think there is a team in the nation that can compete with either one of these 2 teams. Can't wait for them to play.. going to be an awesome game.

Otto 10-26-2010 12:44 AM

Gonna be an epic Iron Bowl, for sure. I think we'll get a good idea of what Georgia is about this upcoming weekend. From reading tweets of the players, they are very focused at this point.

Also, from other tweets, check this one out:

Twitter / LeBron James: Cam Newton. One word "MONSTER"
@KingJames: Cam Newton. One word "MONSTER"

Not bad when you're getting the attention of the NBA's best player.

Otto 10-27-2010 08:36 PM

It is amazing to hear the lack of respect we're getting from the talking heads of America. Auburn has beaten FOUR of the BCS Top 21 teams. At least we have a great computer ranking, else we would be hearing similar things from our 2004 undefeated season (when we beat FIVE teams ranked in the Top 10 when we played them and FOUR teams in the Top 15 at season's end).

mriff 10-29-2010 07:34 AM

Hey look, UF is ranked number 9 in the preseason AP college basketball poll! :D

mriff 10-30-2010 06:33 AM

Congratulations to Gator Soccer - 2010 SEC Champions! :D

mriff 10-30-2010 08:30 PM

Much better balance tonight. Newton is throwing and Dyer is running. Man, they look good!

mriff 10-30-2010 08:30 PM

And how bout them GATORS! Another win over the Dawgs. That's sweet.

Otto 10-31-2010 02:02 AM

Florida allowed Georgia to come back, but that was one heck of a finish by the Gators. We're pulling for you guys, as a win over Florida in the SECCG will look really good on our resume... :-P

Seeing Cam NOT run was rather frustrating, although Dyer was finally healthy for the first time since he's been starting and Cam was throwing the ball pretty darn accurate the entire night.

mriff 10-31-2010 06:52 AM

I think long term, it's better for Newton to be throwing. Especially if Dyer is really that good, which I think he is.

And I really do hope we meet you guys in the SECCG. Since that will mean that we beat Vandy and SC!

mriff 10-31-2010 06:53 AM

And if Newton keeps doing as good as he has been, he'll go high in the draft and the rest of the SEC teams won't have to face him again next year! :D

mriff 10-31-2010 07:32 AM

Wow at Helu. 307 yards?!

Otto 11-02-2010 12:04 AM

Here is a list of Auburn team records likely to be broken. These are only individual records. Team records likely to be broken are nearly every single offensive record on file, including total yards, total scoring, rushing yards, etc.

Rushing yards, Freshman:
Bo Jackson, 829
Mike Dyer, 723

Rushing yards, Season:
Bo Jackson, 1786
Cam Newton, 1122

Rushing touchdowns, Season:
Bo Jackson, 17
Carnell Williams, 17
Cam Newton, 14

Completion percentage, Season:
Ben Leard, .707
Cam Newton, .667

Passing touchdowns, Season:
Chris Todd, 22
Cam Newton, 15

Sacks, Season:
Gary Walker, 11.0
Kevin Greene, 11.0
Craig Ogletree, 11.0
Nick Fairley, 7.5

Points kicking, Season:
Wes Byrum, 99
Wes Byrum, 90

Points kicking, Career:
John Vaughn, 312
Wes Byrum, 330

Field goals made, Season:
Scott Etheridge, 22
Wes Byrum, 15

Field goals made, Career:
John Vaughn, 50
Wes Byrum, 58

Kickoff return yards, Season:
Tristan Davis, 756
Demond Washington, 806

Kickoff return yards, Career:
James Brooks, 1726
Demond Washington, 1303

Kickoff return average, Season:
Tristan Davis, 27.0
Demond Washington, 26.9

Kickoff return average, Career:
Tristan Davis, 26.45
Demond Washington, 28.33

Total touchdowns responsible for, Season:
Pat Sullivan, 26
Cam Newton, 30

Scoring, Season:
Carnell Williams, 102
Stephen Davis, 102
Bo Jackson, 102
Wes Byrum, 90
Cam Newton, 90

Scoring, Career:
John Vaughn, 312
Wes Byrum, 330

Total offense, Season:
Dameyune Craig, 3277
Cam Newton, 2695

Longest pass completion, Game:
Chris Todd, 93 yards
Cam Newton, 94 yards

Most consecutive PATs made, One Season:
Wes Byrum, 54
Wes Byrum, 45

Most consecutive PATs made, Two Seasons:
John Vaughn, 84
Wes Byrum, 99

Most consecutive PATs made, Three Seasons:
John Vaughn, 107
Wes Byrum, 111

Otto 11-04-2010 06:50 PM

Before it is posted, I doubt there is anything to the rumors about Cam being a "hired mule," as MSU fans like to call him. Let's face it, the investigation started in July and financials were provided in September. Cam has played every game since the start of the season. Knowing that prior to the season, this was a known issue and investigation by the SEC and Auburn, does it really stand to reason that we would chance playing him for one snap? Nope, not at all. This sounds like a lot of people trying to stir the pot... and it doesn't help that the guy behind it was one of the reasons MSU was put on massive probation in the 80's for taking money to play QB for the Bulldogs.

mriff 11-05-2010 10:28 AM

Man, too bad all this is coming to light. Even if he or his family did nothing wrong, this will be attached to him for some time. I hope none of it turns out to be true.

Cam Newton*investigation could be*blow to Auburn, college football - Stewart Mandel - SI.com

DallasFlier 11-05-2010 10:55 AM

I'm not gonna condemn the kid until the investigation is complete, but this is sure not the kind of headline news on ESPN that either he or Auburn needed!

Cash sought for Cam Newton

Edit: Oops, I see I'm a bit late to the party on this one. mriff, hope you're right - hope he and his family turn out to be innocent, AND that the "agent" involved is banned from high school & college football for life!

DallasFlier 11-05-2010 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mriff (Post 13983)
Wow at Helu. 307 yards?!

Been on vacation for a little over a week, and away from computers at the beach! Yeah, Helu had a hell of a game, for sure! Just nabbed the AT&T/ESPN All-America Player of the Week honor for his record-setting performance. Makes it even harder to defend the Huskers - key on Martinez, and Helu will burn you!

Roy Helu Jr. of Nebraska selected as AT&T ESPN All-America Player of the Week

DallasFlier 11-05-2010 04:11 PM

From Herbstreit, via ESPN Radio:

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"It's to early to say but talking to sources it's going to get really bad for Auburn in the end....Cam will go on to the NFL after the season and could careless what happens...Auburn will be the school that will get hammered for this and if some of the things being said comes out to be true and Auburn knew and paid for Newton and it sure seems to be smoke there...you will be talking about killing off a program for the next 10yrs the way the NCAA will hammer them"
I confess it does seem just a tad suspicious that apparently his dad delivered the "Cam picks Auburn" decision/edict, and suddenly dad's church, which had been threatened/scheduled for demolition is suddenly renovated and fully meets code. Could get interesting, for sure.

Otto 11-05-2010 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DallasFlier (Post 14012)
From Herbstreit, via ESPN Radio:



I confess it does seem just a tad suspicious that apparently his dad delivered the "Cam picks Auburn" decision/edict, and suddenly dad's church, which had been threatened/scheduled for demolition is suddenly renovated and fully meets code. Could get interesting, for sure.

Suddenly? His father has been delaying and delaying the local government, who likely does not want his church standing anyhow. If this took place in July, then I would agree that "suddenly" would be the word to describe it. The church just recently met standards, after a long time of battling about it at city council meetings. The church is nothing to look at, trust me... I'll drive 5 minutes down the road and take a few pictures.

Otto 11-05-2010 07:57 PM

It seems that there are more rumors swirling around suggesting that Bond was quoted as saying that Urban Meyer was behind this fiasco. Could be just a beat writer hoping it, but Phil Marshall is an Auburn legend.

Here is an article from Scout/ITAT quoting our athletic director. It makes a lot of great points.

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Originally Posted by Scout/ITAT
Auburn, Ala.--Jay Jacobs, Auburn’s athletic director, said on Friday that the university would not have allowed Cameron Newton to play football this season if there was any doubt by Auburn officials that would lead to NCAA problems for the football program.

Media reports on Thursday concerning possible irregularities on Newton’s recruitment to Mississippi State surfaced on Thursday. Auburn coach Gene Chizik issued a brief statement on the subject Thursday night saying, “Unfortunately, I can’t comment on it. Here is what I can say and I will say this very loud and very clear. Cameron Newton is eligible at Auburn University. Period. End of story.”

On a regularly scheduled appearance on WANI Radio in Auburn on Friday with Andy Burcham on the Auburn-Opelika This Morning show, Jacobs said, “The people that are athletic savvy people, what Gene said last night is that Cam is eligible so I think that people that know athletics know what that means. Unfortunately, we can’t talk about it, but I can just tell you this. What went on yesterday, what came out yesterday, was no surprise to us. We have known about that for quite some time.”

Sources at Auburn said that the university looked into rumors about Newton’s recruiting and made the decision in the summer that there was no issue for the university in playing the quarterback, who transferred to Auburn in January after leading Blinn Junior College to a national championship last season. Newton chose Auburn after taking official visits to Mississippi State, Oklahoma and Auburn.

Jacobs noted that he was surprised that articles written on the subject. “We didn’t learn anything new yesterday (Thursday),” he said.

“We are just looking forward to playing the game tomorrow (Saturday), Cam being the quarterback and there we go,” Jacobs added.

“One thing I do want to say is just like we have always done, we will continue to protect Auburn," Jacobs said. "We will do what is in the best interests of Auburn. We are not going to get into the gray area with any rules. We are going to have coaches and staff who are people of character and integrity.”

Asked about Auburn’s decision to allow Newton to be part of the team, Jacobs said, “I can’t specifically talk about this case, but any time you have any question about the eligibility of any student-athlete, regardless of what sport it is, you do not allow them to play. He will be playing tomorrow (Saturday)."

Auburn's associate athletic director, Rich McGlynn, is in charge of AU's compliance with NCAA rules. McGlynn has a reputation as being a by the book administrator on rules interpretation and is known as an official who demands Auburn's coaches follow the rules.

“What is going to be interesting to watch is how his teammates begin to rally around him in this particular case,” Jacobs added. “There will be some resilience. When you are put in the spotlight like we are now, particularly with the guy who is the No. 1 football player in the nation, attacks are going to come. As we often say in church, ‘higher levels, more devils.’

“It will be interesting to see, but I know this--this team and this staff are going to stay focused on going out there and competing every day and doing it the right way. It is going to be fun to watch. We have got three ball games for sure left, and probably four, before the bowl game. All of these guys will come together and it will be a fun thing to watch, just like it has been, just like the previous nine have been.”

The Tigers, who are 9-0 and ranked No. 2 in this week’s BCS ratings, will play their Homecoming game at noon CDT on Saturday vs. Chattanooga.


mriff 11-05-2010 08:40 PM

Kirk Herbstreit is a DB. Have never liked that guy.

Otto 11-05-2010 10:13 PM

Cam Newton, alleged middleman deny wrongdoing
Posted by John Taylor on November 5, 2010, 9:33 PM EDT

Following up on what’s fast becoming the story of the college football season, Cam Newton has addressed the accusations that someone acting on the Newton family’s behalf solicited payment in return for the quarterback’s football talents on their campus.

And, as expected, the Auburn player denied anything untoward occurred on his end.

“I didn’t do anything wrong,” Newton said according to Auburn Undercover. “I’m blessed to be at Auburn right now. I’m sure the smoke will settle. I’m looking forward to the game tomorrow.”

Right now, there’s not only a tremendous amount of smoke that needs to settle as Newton noted, but perhaps a fire or two that needs to be extinguished as well. And, much like Newton, one of the pivotal figures in the burgeoning scandal — Kenny Rogers — grabbed a fire hose Friday night and attempted to douse the flames.

Former Mississippi State quarterback John Bond told ESPN.com that a person who claimed to represent Newton and was a former MSU teammate of his was seeking between $180,000 and $200,000 from schools while Newton was being recruited last year. Bond claimed that the person, who ESPN.com identified as former Bulldogs player Kenny Rogers, contacted him shortly after Newton’s official visit to Mississippi State in December and said it would take cash to get the quarterback.

Appearing on ESPN-1300 in Dallas, Rogers categorically and emphatically denied all of the accusations that have been made against him, accusations that triggered what is now a months-long NCAA investigation.

“Heck no. I’ve never done that,” Rogers said when asked if he had been paid to steer Newton to a school. “A school has never paid me for a kid, an alumni has never paid me for a kid. Period. Point blank.”

Rogers said he has never spoken to anyone associated with Auburn about Newton — “No. No. No. None at all. None at all. None at all.” — and that he has spoken to MSU head coach Dan Mullen on just one occasion, when he was introduced to the coach by Newton’s father. Rogers also claimed that he hasn’t spoken to Bond in over 20 years, while Bond said the two spoke late last year.

So, again, we’re back to a he-said he-said situation, with no-grey-area accusations being met by explicit denials from the accused. In other words, either Bond is lying or Rogers is lying.

Short of a damning paper trail — the NCAA has asked for financial records from Newton’s father and his churches — this investigation seems as though it will come down to one man’s word against that of another. And I have no clue where my money would go, so to speak, on who’s telling the truth. Guess that’s why the NCAA gets paid the big bucks…

Otto 11-05-2010 10:19 PM

One thing that doesn't make any sense whatsoever... for MSU and John Bonds to support this accusation, it means that they were involved with something shady. Keep in mind that this would have happened a year ago during the height of Cam's recruitment. MSU did not stop recruiting Cam until he signed with Auburn. Hmm... something just doesn't add up.

Otto 11-05-2010 11:14 PM

...and some more...

Cam Newton ... Now What?

By Pete Fiutak

So now what happens for Auburn during its dream season, and more importantly, what do all the allegations swirling around Cam Newton mean to him?

Probably not as much as it might seem.

After Reggie Bush, Josh Luchs, A.J. Green, North Carolina, and all the problems and suspensions this year thanks to the agent issue, and the controversy and discussion swirling around Nick Saban and Urban Meyer’s preseason comments, the entire story around Mississippi State allegedly being ask for money to sign Newton out of junior college, and other schools allegedly offering money for his services, has come up at a very curious time.

Because cheating is so rampant and because the problem is far, far worse than anyone can imagine, to fans, anytime a player’s name is used in a story like this, the automatic reaction is going to be that there’s something amiss, and that’s why, in the court of public opinion, this needs far, far more investigating. This isn't going to stop.

Auburn is right in the thick of the national title chase, and it looks like the story is breaking just in time to try to derail the fun. Now the focus, for right or wrong, is going to be on things outside of Newton’s fantastic season and outside of the national championship. It also points to the problem that Saban and Meyer talked about at length and why they and other coaches are asking for help. This situation also points to the frustration of the player and the family that was investigated for this already, cleared, and now has to answer the questions again.

There’s Cam Newton, who was investigated last summer and cleared, but now gets dragged in this when his focus is 100% on trying to win a national title. There’s Cecil Newton, the dad, who denies any involvement in anything, and is going along with all the NCAA’s requests and fighting to clear his son’s name that’s being used by an agent to try to make some money. Newton’s family, who has gone out of its way to show that it’s not getting any money, evidenced by the condition of their church, the Holy Zion Center of Deliverance, and is frustrated it has to be involved now of all times, is saying and doing all the right things after the story broke. And then there’s the slimy side of the agent world that once again rears its ugly head. And that's why Kenny Rogers, who has gone rogue by allegedly trying to make a buck trying to steer Newton’s career, has to get 100% of the focus, and not Newton himself ... for now.

Auburn has done its due diligence this offseason, but it has to keep investigating on its own and it has keep being proactive to make sure there’s nothing there that could come back to bite the school. Yeah, it is fair to ask the question of how Newton ended up at Auburn if Rogers' story is true. Newton will have the guilt by association, and now it's up to the NCAA to go further to establish just how close Rogers was to the situation. The focus is on Rogers and whether or not he’s telling the truth about being offered money by other people representing other schools to steer Newton their way, and that’s why this is so scary.

The last thing Auburn wants to do is have a dream year and win the national title and see Newton win the Heisman, only to see something happen down the road. But this is a different situation than USC. The NCAA is already on it this time and has already investigated, but because an agent used Newton’s name, the frustration of the agent problem kicks in yet again.

Newton, as long as he’s cleared to play by Auburn and head coach Gene Chizik, and he is, will still be everyone’s Heisman front-runner and this won’t affect the voters in the rankings and the polls. That the Newton’s denials have been so vehement, and that Auburn’s anger and frustration has been so quick, is the step that needed to be taken from the start when ESPN broke the story. If Newton or his family were involved in anything wrong, compared to all those players who have recently been caught, they’re certainly not acting like it.

First and foremost, Newton himself appears to have nothing to do with this at all. He left the decision of where to go to school up to his father, and if all this is true, the player shouldn’t be affected by anything a greedy agent might have tried to do.

Newton’s family appears to be out of this. Again, the condition of the church and the papers submitted to the NCAA shows it, as opposed to the Bush situation that had smoking guns all over the place. If they got money for Newton signature, they’re not showing it.

Newton will win the Heisman. The national title will come down to the Iron Bowl, and Newton will get the chance to carry Auburn on the field, despite all the controversy off of it, and the season will go on as normal. And Kenny Rogers could become the first real case of college football and the NFLPA cracking down on the agent issue in the new, supposedly more diligent world.

However, the focus is all about Rogers and he needs to come totally clean about everything. If his story true and did other schools offer him money to sign Newton, then it’s time to find out, and now, for no other reason than for Auburn to be above any suspicion. Now it’s up to Rogers to come up with proof of something, anything, that shows he got something for his association with the Newtons, but the burden is still on Auburn, too, to keep checking to make sure there's nothing there.

This story isn’t over, and yeah, it’s going to dominate the rest of the college football season. And it’ll be the launching point and the test case to see how the agent issue gets handled.

Otto 11-05-2010 11:29 PM

Cam Newton's father called ‘not the kind' to seek payout

To Hilda Hankerson, Cecil Newton is a loving father who has shown up at Westlake High football games to support the Lions even though his sons no longer play there.

He is not a man who would have his hands out to college recruiters, the Westlake athletic director said Friday. In the wake of an espn.com report of a man allegedly attempting to secure a six-figure payment from Mississippi State during the recruitment of Auburn star quarterback and Westlake grad Cam Newton, Hankerson dismissed the possibility that Newton and his family were involved.

"That's not the kind of a man he is," Hankerson said of Cecil Newton. "He's the pastor of a church and has really worked in instilling godly principles in his kids."

Friday, Cecil Newton, his son and his Newnan church were the unlikely center of the college football story of the week, as news reports, radio talk shows and the blogosphere hashed out the details of an alleged pay-for-play scandal involving the leading candidate for the Heisman Trophy.

"When Cameron was here, we didn't have any kind of concerns or anything like that to deal with," said Westlake boys basketball coach Darron Rogers, for whom Newton played. "I just think it's not true."

Friday, Cecil Newton did not return messages left on his phone. Cam Newton's mother, Jackie, answered the door of the family's East Point home, but declined comment. She did say that they did not plan to attend Auburn's homecoming game Saturday against Chattanooga because of a previous church commitment in Savannah. Cam's brother, Cecil, planned to attend the game in support of his younger brother.

Friday, the Associated Press cited an anonymous source familiar with the situation who said that Auburn has had no contact with Kenny Rogers, the man who allegedly sought to solicit Mississippi State on the Newtons' behalf.

In Newnan, Cecil Newton's church, which news reports suggested were a possible beneficiary of the alleged payout, sat in disrepair. The Holy Zion Center of Deliverance, located in a heavily commercial area in Newnan, looks like a deserted building. A former car dealership, white curtains are drawn across the front windows, which appear to bear a couple of bullet holes. In fact, the church was dissolved in 2008 by the state after failing to file its annual registration.

"I've never seen anybody over there," said Jeff Scott, manager of a nearby used-car dealership.

According to reports in the Times-Herald newspaper in Newnan, Newton spent the past two years fighting to keep his church building from being condemned and subsequently demolished. The City of Newnan granted Newton at least three extensions to bring the building up to code before it was taken off the city’s condemned list in October.

City records show the church needed to make $50,000 in repairs to keep its building from being torn down.

Council member Rhodes Shell, who represents the district where the church is located, said Newton made gradual improvements on the property and updated the city on his progress, which is why they kept giving him more time.

“He was well-meaning and sincere about what he was trying to do,” Shell said. “If it had been a real business, we wouldn’t have given him as long as we did.”

Shell said Newton told the council he planned to get the money from his son who was a professional athlete. Shell said the council assumed he was talking about former Jacksonville Jaguars center Cecil Newton, who spent most of the 2009 season on the practice squad before being released from the team in August.

“That’s where his money came from, from what he was telling us,” Shell said. “No one knew Cecil Newton was the father of Cam Newton until less than a month ago.”

Shell said he does not believe Newton was involved in any recruitment scams.

“If he had that kind of money floating around, he would have fixed that church a long time ago,” he said.

mriff 11-06-2010 03:52 PM

Haha! 67 to 65. Michigan beats Illinois.

DallasFlier 11-09-2010 12:02 PM

And yet more...

Source: Newton left Florida after Cheating Scandal

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Auburn quarterback Cameron Newton had three different instances of academic cheating while attending the University of Florida and faced potential expulsion from the university, according to a source.

Newton, considered the front-runner for the Heisman Trophy, attended Florida in 2007 and 2008 before transferring to Blinn College, a junior college in Texas. He first violated Florida’s student honor code by cheating in a class during his freshman year, according to the source.

Newton was arrested for the theft of a laptop from a Florida student’s dorm room in November 2008. He again violated the university’s honor code by putting his name on another student’s paper and turning it in, according to the source. Newton was caught after the instructor asked the real author of the paper why he had not turned in his work, the source said.

According to the source, after the student said he had turned in a paper, he and the instructor went through all the submissions and discovered that Newton had put his name on the paper in question.

Newton subsequently turned in a second paper to the instructor, but it was later found to have been purchased off the Internet, according to the source. The source said Newton was to appear for a hearing in front of Florida’s Student Conduct Committee during the spring semester of 2009, but instead transferred to Blinn College.

The committee could have levied sanctions against Newton that included suspension and expulsion from the university.

“He knew that he was facing a bad outcome,” the source said.
By the way, you keep cutting and pasting articles with no attribution at all. Its your site, but that's a recipe for being served cease & desist notices for copyright violation.

iam4uf 11-09-2010 01:10 PM

Report: Newton cheated while at Florida - Bright House Sports Network

Remember I told you earlier that Cam did not leave on this own. THIS is the REAL reason he left.

DallasFlier 11-10-2010 12:13 PM

I tell you what, there's an AWFUL LOT of smoke, for there to be no fire...

Sources: Cam and Cecil Newton talked of pay-to-play plan with recruiters - ESPN

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Two sources who recruit for Mississippi State said that Cecil Newton and his son, quarterback Cam Newton, admitted in separate phone conversations to a pay-for-play plan while Newton was being recruited late last year.

Mississippi State compliance officials relayed the alleged conversations to Southeastern Conference compliance officials in January, according to two other sources close to the football program.

Prior to Newton's commitment to Auburn, one of the recruiters said Cecil Newton told him it would take "more than a scholarship" to bring his son to Mississippi State, a request the source said the school would not meet. Cecil Newton also referred the recruiter to a third person that would provide more specifics, the source said.

After Newton committed to Auburn, another source said an emotional Cam Newton phoned another recruiter to express regret that he wouldn't be going to Mississippi State, stating that his father Cecil had chosen Auburn for him because "the money was too much."

DallasFlier 11-10-2010 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DallasFlier (Post 14034)

Quote:

Originally Posted by iam4uf (Post 14036)
Report: Newton cheated while at Florida - Bright House Sports Network

Remember I told you earlier that Cam did not leave on this own. THIS is the REAL reason he left.

And regarding the cheating allegations, I note that Cam's rambling statement in response is FAR from being a denial:

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“I’m not going to entertain something that took place not three months, not six months, not a year but two years ago,” Newton said. “I’m not going to sit up here and say anything about it, whether I did or did not do it, because I don’t want to beat a dead horse talking about it. It’s not going to affect me any way, shape or fashion.”
I think if it was false, he'd be saying in no uncertain terms that no, he definitely did not cheat.

DallasFlier 11-12-2010 12:48 PM

This, of course, does not directly implicate Auburn, but does confirm that Cam (and dad) are dirty at this point.

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In another Dallas radio interview, with ESPN 103.3 FM, Rogers said he and Cecil Newton initially talked after Cam Newton left the University of Florida after the 2008 season. During that conversation, Rogers said Cecil Newton told him, "It's not gonna be free this time."

Rogers told 103.3 FM he had been referred to a Mississippi State booster named Bill Bell. Rogers said he called Bell and left a message that he was with Cecil Newton and Newton wanted to know if a deal could be done.

Contacted Thursday night by ESPN.com, Bell confirmed that Cecil Newton did ask for money in exchange for Cam Newton signing with Mississippi State. Bell said he was contacted by the NCAA about the matter and spoke to an investigator earlier this week.

"That's all I want to say about it at this point," Bell told ESPN.com.

In an e-mail to FOXSports.com, NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn wrote that, “The solicitation of cash or benefits by a prospective student-athlete or another individual on his or her behalf is not allowed under NCAA rules.”
Man at center of Cam Newton recruitment saga elaborates on claims - CFB News | FOX Sports on MSN

Hey jibi, its been a week since you checked in here - I guess this all is getting tougher and tougher to keep refuting?

iam4uf 11-12-2010 02:59 PM

Even though this happened I don't really see how it makes a difference. He left UF so there was no investigation. If he did cheat then I guess he paid the ultimate price (going to Jr college). He got kicked out.. ERRRRR, left on his own.

Otto 11-12-2010 10:13 PM

As far as the UF cheating situation, I'm with Cam ... it was two years ago and two schools ago ... who cares? If it was such a big deal, perhaps UF should have reported it? A person with the student review board at UF said that Cam's cheating never made it to that level, which is the first level of reporting such allegations, mind you. It probably happened and I won't dispute that, but I see no reason on it playing a role in the Cam Newton at Auburn.

The simple fact that it got leaked to the media, likely by someone at UF or MSU, says a lot about the disregard for federal laws in an attempt to tarnish someone's character. For God's sake, they released his traffic citation history in Alachua County... the starting UF lineup's records from this same website is literally a mile long.

As for the rest, in all honesty, I'm not really sure where I stand right now... somewhere between not wanting to believe these vague allegations and thinking Cecil Newton is a piece of shit. The simple fact of the matter, as SEC commissioner Mike Slive said tonight, is that no straight-forward facts have been released. This is potentially an unprecedented controversy brewing for the NCAA. Cam, as of tonight, is eligible to play at Auburn and will be starting against Georgia tomorrow. The game went back on the Vegas boards at the Hilton and Mirage, but it remains off at the Nugget and Caesars.

Who knows what will happen, though... As of now, it does not seem that Auburn has done anything wrong. This doesn't mean that Cam or Cecil have not done something wrong, of course... two completely separate issues. Cam's eligibility will have implications on this season, but it will not likely have any impact on Auburn's program moving forward.

Otto 11-15-2010 01:41 AM

@UF guys... know any Gator fans with SECCG tickets for sale at a reasonable price? I need a few.

mriff 11-15-2010 08:24 AM

I don't know of any for sale. I guess we won't be needing them. :cry:

DallasFlier 11-17-2010 03:51 PM

In any other league than the SEC (as well as the NFL), this would have resulted in a suspension. Late, blatant and illegal.

http://static.foxsports.com/content/...190405_0_0.GIF

DallasFlier 11-17-2010 05:57 PM

FBI's Cam Newton Probe Expands to Auburn Booster

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The FBI investigation into the cash for Cam Newton scandal now involves a guy who gave more than $1 million to Auburn University ... and was recently arrested in a bribery sting.

According to sources connected to the probe ... FBI agents looking into the Newton recruiting controversy are also asking about Milton McGregor -- a dog track owner arrested last month for allegedly bribing Alabama politicians to vote pro gambling.

Otto 11-18-2010 01:15 AM

McGregor was already being investigated. This likely has zero to do with the Cam Newton saga. No facts have surfaced YET about Cam's involvement with ANYTHING. Officials from the NCAA, SEC, and Auburn met last week and Cam played on Saturday. I think that says a lot. WarBlogle posted an interesting scenario involving Cam being ineligible. He plays against Alabama and then sits for the SECCG and BCSNCG. Imagine being 0-12, winning the SEC and then being the first one-win team to win the MNC. LOL!

But in all honesty, I think this blows over with no evidence. Even the "damning" informatin released by ESPN today involved a guy who had a text message on a device that was destroyed by water. The convenience of that happening, right?

DallasFlier 11-18-2010 02:48 PM

Interesting that the FBI has become involved in this, that news which first came out a few days ago has been kinda strange, at least to me. The following from blogs, so believe it or not, but it sure explains the involvement of the FBI, as well as explaining some of the timelines. Additional comment from me - it took the NCAA 4-5 years to investigate and do something about the Bush/USC scandal. But while you can stonewall the NCAA and refuse to talk to them (and many did in the USC investigation) when the FBI says they'd like you to answer some questions, they have the power to MAKE you answer those questions - quickly.

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Feds had been investigating some high rollers regarding buying and selling votes for pro gambling legislation…..one of the guys happens to be a big Auburn booster. In the course of listening to conversations of all parties involved, these guys get involved in the Cam Newton deal, the feds happen to be listening….supposedly they knew about this months ago, notified the NCAA and told the NCAA to keep quiet due to the ongoing investigation. Newton/Auburn may have been busted only by chance.

That's what the sources are pointing out, and descibing how the pay for play scheme worked with unmarked/hidden atm cards through the boosters bank (he was also on the Board of Trustees....) and about tipping off the players on which slots would hit at a casino with their player cards. I guess the FBI was involved for abuse of TARP funds from this bank and stumbled upon bribing for votes and the Newton thing.
Another commentary on the same events:

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McGregor and 10 others are scheduled for arraignment Friday morning in federal court in Montgomery on charges accusing them of buying and selling votes on pro-gambling legislation.

The bigger picture here is that the Feds have been investigating Milton McGregor (A major Auburn Booster and the owner of VictoryLand, which is located just outside of Montgomery) for quite some time. The Feds are investigating efforts to pass gambling legislation in Alabama and money laundering schemes involving McGregor and other prominent Alabama politicians and Auburn boosters.

The Feds have tape from wire taps made on McGregor and other prominent Auburn boosters from their investigation. The Newton's were just shopping their talent's to the wrong people at the wrong time and thus there is hard evidence available that incriminates everyone involved. It's only a matter of time that all of this information becomes public.

FBI found out about Cam before the NCAA did while wiretapping Milton McGregor and others related to the casino/bingo indictments. They uncovered conversations with McGregor, Auburn and Cam's uncle in Michigan. McGregor paid $250K to the uncle through a PAC and other hidden entities and the uncle funneled the money to Cecil.

The FBI gave this information to the NCAA sometime after the indictments were handed down. They had to sit on the information for 6 months until the grand jury indicted the men and women in the gambling deal. All of the wiretap information was sealed and that is why the delay in investigating. The NCAA had to go to Miss St to see if Cecil had solicited money from them as well. That is why Miss St is involved. They are basically connecting all of the dots. Miss St may be cleared because they told Cecil no. He then went to Auburn. The offer was on the table from McGregor but Cam wanted to play at Miss St and not Auburn. When Miss St declined to pay him, he went to where the money was... hence the comment, "The money was too much." The FBI met with the Miss St coaches, John Bond and Bill Bell today to get their official statements.
And, if THIS (following) from an Auburn board turns out to be true - yikes!:

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The FBI has been investigating Colonial Bank and Louder for a number of possible violations in the financial market crash which are unrelated to AU. Part of the investigation involved gambling fraud between McGregor and Colonial Bank. Something called the Rico Statute allowed the justice department to set up wiretaps on Colonial Bank. On the wiretaps the FBI found major AU recruiting infractions involving Louder, McGregor, Dye, Trooper, boosters and others.

Here's what they say the FBI has on tape and can prove AU did:
  • The people above are on tape explaining who they paid and how they did it.
  • It involves many AU players
  • Providing unmarked Colonial Bank ATM cards to players to withdraw money from secret accounts.
  • Giving rigged slot machine cards to the players, which now involves the Alabama Gaming Commission.
  • Provided improper loans to some of the families in our last and current recruiting class.
  • The NCAA strongly recommended that AU sit Cam for GA. game because of the mounting evidence.
  • President Grogue wanted to sit Cam but was overruled by Louder and the Board of Trustees.
  • Coach Chizik knows none of this and has been lied to by Jacobs.
  • The people named above know the S%#& is going to hit the fan big time and have decided "we're going down" so lets win the title even if they take it away later.
  • Slive knew about this early and sat on the information and is also in the "crosshairs" of the FBI..
  • The corruption is so deep at the highest level (trustees) that AU will be evicted from kicked out of the SEC.
  • This will be revealed by the end of the week.


DallasFlier 11-18-2010 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto (Post 14071)
No facts have surfaced YET about Cam's involvement with ANYTHING.

Umm, I guess notwithstanding the quoted conversation where Cam says he wanted to play at MSU, but "the money was too much."
Quote:

Originally Posted by Otto (Post 14071)
Officials from the NCAA, SEC, and Auburn met last week and Cam played on Saturday. I think that says a lot.

Yeah, as many are saying - it says Auburn is "all in" on this, and possibly says they know if they're going down, they're going down BIG and therefore there's nothing else to lose. Per some reports, it also says the AD & boosters overrulled the AU Pres. and strong NCAA recommendations to bench Cam.
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Originally Posted by Otto (Post 14071)
But in all honesty, I think this blows over with no evidence. Even the "damning" information released by ESPN today involved a guy who had a text message on a device that was destroyed by water. The convenience of that happening, right?

Yanno, at this point I don't think ANYBODY except confirmed AU fanboys are trying to say this "blows over with no evidence." You REALLY think that????? Yes, I've dropped my phones in water before, and the guy who said that in THIS case said he was also working with his cell company on retrieving the SMS messages from them - a very logical next step, wouldn't you say?

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...ngyjo/poof.gif

Otto 11-19-2010 04:38 PM

C'mon DF. Do you really think carriers (or the companies they outsource text message processing to) keep text messages for a year? No. As for the McGregor situation, he was arrested last October. Do we really think that he discussed paying a player to play football at Auburn on his tapped phones in November or December? Doubtful. A lot of this information just seems to be stretched VERY thin, to be honest. I'm trying to look at this as unbiased as possible, but the simple fact of the matter is that it is hard to believe that this program would do something so desperate and stupid at this point. Even the NCAA president stated that they would not rush into their opinions unlike the bloggers have done. I personally know Jay Jacobs (our AD) and his family ... he would not overrule Jay Gogue (our president) or the NCAA in a situation like this... nor would our compliance officer, Rich McGlynn, even think twice about it (he worked for the NCAA and is a HUGE stickler for rules).

Otto 11-19-2010 04:53 PM

Mark Emmert, NCAA President: "We have to get the facts right in Cam Newton case. The burden of proof is higher than for someone writing in a blog."

Obviously the NCAA is struggling to find any substantial evidence against Cam Newton or Auburn. This likely due to the unpopular concept that there isn't any evidence. As far as the NCAA rules go, there are none regarding solicitation of benefits by a student-athlete or relative of a student-athlete ... only those that are against the receipt of benefits by those above. Solicitation rules PROTECT the student-athlete and their family from agents or rogue institutions ... there is not a thing in the bylaws from what I could find that seems to indicate the reverse intention.

I will concede that Cecil Newton may have asked for money from MSU or MSU boosters. I will also state that I do not believe he received a penny from anyone and that Cam will be shielded from his father's momentary lapse of judgement (although perhaps the rules will change and it will be known as the "Cam Newton Rule" from here on out). Again, as I posted last week, if Cam played against Georgia, then there's nothing to worry about. If he plays against Alabama, perhaps everyone will shut up for once and for all about him.

Otto 11-19-2010 06:04 PM

From McGregor's lawyer:

"Contrary to postings on celebrity and sports blogs, Milton McGregor has never had any contact direct or indirect with Cam Newton, Cecil Newton -- Cam's father -- (agent) Kenny Rogers or anyone purporting to represent Cam Newton,'' the statement said. "Mr. McGregor has never been asked to provide money for any recruitment or compensation of any current or perspective student athlete including Cam Newton at Auburn or any other school, and has never provided any type of compensation in that regard period no exceptions."

According to a U.S. Attorney on the Paul Finebaum show today, he stated that McGregor's Lawyer would have never said what he did if he wasn't 100% sure that McGregor was clean. He said the lawyer was a big shot that would not risk his reputation on making false claims.

DallasFlier 11-19-2010 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otto (Post 14084)
As far as the NCAA rules go, there are none regarding solicitation of benefits by a student-athlete or relative of a student-athlete ... only those that are against the receipt of benefits by those above.

On that at least, you're completely incorrect. The NCAA has stated unequivocally within the last couple weeks as this saga has unfolded that solicitation of benefits is against NCAA rules, whether or not any benefits were actually received.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Otto (Post 14084)
I will concede that Cecil Newton may have asked for money from MSU or MSU boosters. I will also state that I do not believe he received a penny from anyone and that Cam will be shielded from his father's momentary lapse of judgement (although perhaps the rules will change and it will be known as the "Cam Newton Rule" from here on out). Again, as I posted last week, if Cam played against Georgia, then there's nothing to worry about. If he plays against Alabama, perhaps everyone will shut up for once and for all about him.

So Cam's going to be "shielded from his father's momentary ( :rolleyes: ) lapse of judgement, huh? Yeah, that would be really smart on the NCAA's behalf. Lets basically announce that from hereon out, dads & uncles of athletes can openly solicit on behalf of their sons, as long as the son claims he knew nothing about it and they stand firm with their stories. Yep, I really expect that to happen. Besides, we have the (apparently taped) conversation where Cam tearfully tells MSU that he really wanted to play there, but that "the money was just too much" which makes it hard to claim he knew nothing about any of this, right?

With regards to McGregor and his lawyer - first of all, he was arrested and posted bail THIS WEEK, so if he was arrested months ago as you say, then that's just an additional time. Of course he's denying everything at this point, I'd hardly expect anything different, would you? Answer this though - if none of this about McGregor and phone taps and information coming out about Cam and pay-for-play while they were investigating McGregor on other things is true - then just HOW do you explain the FBI's involvement at this point? The FBI doesn't routinely get involved in NCAA enforcement investigations, there has to be some reason they got involved - and this story you're saying is totally false is certainly a plausible way that the FBI could have ended up involved (and no one disputes that they ARE involved, do they?) If this is all false please give us the alternate explanation of how and why the FBI is involved at this point.

Otto 11-20-2010 05:10 AM

Oddly enough, the FBI was invited by Auburn University into this discussion, according to someone very close to the situation. Go figure. As for the alleged conversations to MSU recruiters, I'm not sure if we can start quoting them as fact ... nevermind the fact that the context was not included whatsoever.

It's okay if you want Cam to be guilty in this... keep reading the crap being spoon fed by ESPN reporters as fact, which it is not. This type of journalism is garbage and Cam is being taken to the cleaners for something he had no involvement in. It is ridiculous. I'm sorry, but the lesson Cam Newton is learning - he IS a student afterall - is one that he not be subjected to at this stage in his life. The media should really, REALLY be ashamed. Auburn has a bye week today and yet we will CONTINUE to dominate college football and sports headlines.

If someone actually had a single ounce of factual information, then I would be fine with hearing it and accepting it. The only problem is that these journalists - Joe Schad, Mark Schlabach, Thayer Evans, and Pete Thamel - have not provided an ounce of factual information in their character assasination articles. And I'm absolutely sure that Jim Bob Doohickey from Texas who posts on an Oklahoma message board (exaggeration intended) knows more about the Auburn athletic department and Cameron Newton than people closest to the program... let's not try to buy into the crime before ANY facts have been presented... this isn't a reality TV show.

Otto 11-20-2010 05:58 AM

Also, regarding what the spokesperson from the NCAA said a couple weeks ago about solicitation, find where that is mentioned in the bylaws. Here is the manual:

http://www.ncaapublications.com/prod...loads/D111.pdf

13.01.4 Recruiting by Representatives of Athletics Interests.
Representatives of an institution’s athletics interests (as defined in Bylaw 13.02.13) are prohibited from making in-person, on- or off-campus recruiting contacts, or written or telephonic communications with a prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete’s relatives or legal guardians. Specific examples of exceptions to the application of this regulation are set forth in Bylaw 13.1.2.2 (see Bylaw 13.1.3.5.1.1).

13.2.1 General Regulation.
An institution’s staff member or any representative of its athletics interests shall not be involved, directly or indirectly, in making arrangements for or giving or offering to give any financial aid or other benefits to a prospective student-athlete or his or her relatives or friends, other than expressly permitted by NCAA regulations. Receipt of a benefit by prospective a student-athlete or his or her relatives or friends is not a violation of NCAA legislation if it is determined that the same benefit is generally available to the institution’s prospective students or their relatives or friends or to a particular segment of the student body (e.g., international students, minority students) determined on a basis unrelated to athletics ability. (Revised: 10/28/97, 11/1/00, 3/24/05)

Here's some decent articles (on Bleacher Report, unfortunately) that will kind of spell it out, in case you don't feel like reading the actual bylaws.

Cam Newton Scandal: How the NCAA's Own Letter of the Law Clears the Auburn Tigers QB | Bleacher Report

Cam Newton Scandal: How SEC's Constitution Also Clears the Auburn Tigers QB | Bleacher Report

Cam Newton Scandal: To Which We Meet Mr. Travis, Rebuke to Clay Travis, Et Al. | Bleacher Report

"As I've stressed over and over again, regardless of what the "officials" said, if something is not in the rule book or the laws, it's just not there. If a person who speaks for the President of the United States can get the Constitution wrong, what's so strange to have persons speaking for the SEC and NCAA to get their own Manual and Constitution wrong? The blind faith these arguments place on the words of the officials is just scary.

Bottom line is, if a rule or law does not exist, you cannot punish someone with it, no matter how wrong you believe their action is. You can't punish someone for streaking if there's no law against streaking. You can't punish someone for driving at 100 miles per hour if there's no speed limit.

And you just can't punish Cam Newton even if his father solicited extra benefit, because there's no rule prohibiting it."

Perhaps if more people would understand that what the NCAA president said (in my earlier post) is the way they should approach it, then perhaps we'll have less rumors and innuendo being misrepresented as facts. Until such a time, these "journalists" will continue to run with message board rumors as the basis of an all-out onslaught on the characters of early 20-somethings that cannot defend themselves.

Otto 11-20-2010 05:58 AM

Also, regarding what the spokesperson from the NCAA said a couple weeks ago about solicitation, find where that is mentioned in the bylaws. Here is the manual:

http://www.ncaapublications.com/prod...loads/D111.pdf

13.01.4 Recruiting by Representatives of Athletics Interests.
Representatives of an institution’s athletics interests (as defined in Bylaw 13.02.13) are prohibited from making in-person, on- or off-campus recruiting contacts, or written or telephonic communications with a prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete’s relatives or legal guardians. Specific examples of exceptions to the application of this regulation are set forth in Bylaw 13.1.2.2 (see Bylaw 13.1.3.5.1.1).

13.2.1 General Regulation.
An institution’s staff member or any representative of its athletics interests shall not be involved, directly or indirectly, in making arrangements for or giving or offering to give any financial aid or other benefits to a prospective student-athlete or his or her relatives or friends, other than expressly permitted by NCAA regulations. Receipt of a benefit by prospective a student-athlete or his or her relatives or friends is not a violation of NCAA legislation if it is determined that the same benefit is generally available to the institution’s prospective students or their relatives or friends or to a particular segment of the student body (e.g., international students, minority students) determined on a basis unrelated to athletics ability. (Revised: 10/28/97, 11/1/00, 3/24/05)

Here's some decent articles (on Bleacher Report, unfortunately) that will kind of spell it out, in case you don't feel like reading the actual bylaws.

Cam Newton Scandal: How the NCAA's Own Letter of the Law Clears the Auburn Tigers QB | Bleacher Report

Cam Newton Scandal: How SEC's Constitution Also Clears the Auburn Tigers QB | Bleacher Report

Cam Newton Scandal: To Which We Meet Mr. Travis, Rebuke to Clay Travis, Et Al. | Bleacher Report

"As I've stressed over and over again, regardless of what the "officials" said, if something is not in the rule book or the laws, it's just not there. If a person who speaks for the President of the United States can get the Constitution wrong, what's so strange to have persons speaking for the SEC and NCAA to get their own Manual and Constitution wrong? The blind faith these arguments place on the words of the officials is just scary.

Bottom line is, if a rule or law does not exist, you cannot punish someone with it, no matter how wrong you believe their action is. You can't punish someone for streaking if there's no law against streaking. You can't punish someone for driving at 100 miles per hour if there's no speed limit.

And you just can't punish Cam Newton even if his father solicited extra benefit, because there's no rule prohibiting it."

Perhaps if more people would understand that what the NCAA president said (in my earlier post) is the way they should approach it, then perhaps we'll have less rumors and innuendo being misrepresented as facts. Until such a time, these "journalists" will continue to run with message board rumors as the basis of an all-out onslaught on the characters of early 20-somethings that cannot defend themselves.

DallasFlier 11-20-2010 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto (Post 14088)
Oddly enough, the FBI was invited by Auburn University into this discussion, according to someone very close to the situation.

LOL, who are these mysterious "someone's very close to the situation" whom you quote as authoritative sources here? :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otto (Post 14088)
I'm absolutely sure that Jim Bob Doohickey from Texas who posts on an Oklahoma message board (exaggeration intended) knows more about the Auburn athletic department and Cameron Newton than people closest to the program...

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Originally Posted by Otto (Post 14089)
Here's some decent articles (on Bleacher Report, unfortunately) that will kind of spell it out, in case you don't feel like reading the actual bylaws.

LMAO, listen to yourself, jibi! Don't listen to "Jim Bob Doohickey from Texas who posts on a message board" but by all means lets take the word of "Jimmy Chen" who has come out of nowhere in the past 10 days to post 5 articles on Bleacher Report, of all places, proclaiming Cam Newton's innocence (having never contributed a single line or article to Bleacher Report before that!)

Psssttt... jibi??? Jimmy Chen = Jim Bob Doohickey here!

And, your other source of info presented is an unnamed "someone very close to the investigation" who says Auburn invited the FBI into the investigation - something which no one at all has mentioned that I'm aware, other than you!

So ESPN is "spoon feeding us crap" here, and "Jim Bob Doohickey" is a moron, but "Jimmy Chen" on Bleacher Report should be considered a reliable source of good, objective information? C'mon, jibi, really???

Otto 11-21-2010 01:04 AM

...sucks that Nebraska lost such a high scoring shootout tonight...

Otto 11-21-2010 01:18 AM

Iron Bowl week is now at our doorstep. Auburn has a 6-1 all-time record in Tuscaloosa. The only loss in the Capstone came in 2008. Auburn is entering Tuscaloosa for the first time since 2004 undefeated. Amidst the adversity, the rumors, and the innuendos, our family remains strong and focused. The field is Cameron Newton's sanctuary. He is the most outstanding player in college football. On his back, he carries two years of frustration from the Auburn family. On his back, he carries the weight of the world. He is the most exciting thing to happen in college football in 25 years, since Bo Jackson graced the Plains of Auburn. Not a single team has figured out how to stop the Auburn offense this season. Take out Cam, feel the wrath of Dyer and O-Mac. Our defense has struggled, but they have stepped up when it mattered most. Led by Nick Fairley, quarterbacks have been pulverized this season. Take no mercy. Take no prisoners. It is the most heated rivalry in college football. The national championship is on the line. It is the Iron Bowl. Beat Bama!

Otto 11-21-2010 01:23 AM

By the way, when Auburn scores 30 points or more, we have won 64 straight games. We have only lost 4 games EVER when scoring 30 or more. This offense can certainly score. Aside from the obvious home field advantage that Bama has at BDS, one thing to keep in mind is last season's result. Auburn held strong, but simply did not have the depth to keep the lead late in the 4th quarter. This year's Auburn Tigers is a new team ... the defense has depth and the offense is nearly unstoppable. Alabama has 9 new starters on defense... I think it'll be a close game, for a while... Auburn wins by two TDs.

mriff 11-21-2010 01:03 PM

Enjoy it Otto. I hope AU wins by more than two TD's this weekend. And while normally, I'd be pulling for the East SEC team to win the championship and would also be pulling for the Spur, I hope AU wins the SECCG. If they get to play the Ducks in the BCSCG, now that would be a hell of a game. And of course I'd be pulling for 5 years in a row of SEC BCS Champions.

Otto 11-22-2010 02:14 AM

Rumors swirling around that Taylor Martinez will leave the Cornhuskers. Despite alleged responses to the contrary from his HS football coach and Bo Pelini, I believe we should take these internet rumors and rumblings as fact... Taylor Martinez is no longer a Nebraska Cornhusker!

...see what I did there?

DallasFlier 11-22-2010 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto (Post 14098)
Rumors swirling around that Taylor Martinez will leave the Cornhuskers. Despite alleged responses to the contrary from his HS football coach and Bo Pelini, I believe we should take these internet rumors and rumblings as fact... Taylor Martinez is no longer a Nebraska Cornhusker!

...see what I did there?

Yeah, you made up crap from thin air. And your point? :) As soon as ESPN, Sports Illustrated, CBS Sports and most all the other major media outlets are reporting on it, let me know!

OH! Wait, I'm sorry - those are all "spoon-feeding us crap" and we're supposed to listen to Jimmy Chen over at Bleacher Reports for the definitive info - anything from him yet? ;)

mriff 11-23-2010 03:23 PM

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mriff 11-23-2010 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DallasFlier (Post 14099)
Yeah, you made up crap from thin air. And your point? :) As soon as ESPN, Sports Illustrated, CBS Sports and most all the other major media outlets are reporting on it, let me know!

OH! Wait, I'm sorry - those are all "spoon-feeding us crap" and we're supposed to listen to Jimmy Chen over at Bleacher Reports for the definitive info - anything from him yet? ;)

It actually wasn't made up out of thin air. Check it out.

Nebraska's Bo Pelini apologizes for sideline tirades vs. Texas A&M - NCAA Football - SI.com

DallasFlier 11-23-2010 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mriff (Post 14105)

The "internet/twitter rumors" that Martinez had quit were made up out of thin air. Pelini's answer & denial when asked about them was not - nor was Martinez' high school coach, nor was his own statement.

Pelini's tirades were over the edge, and I'm glad that the Chancellor said so, and that Pelini apologized. But the biased refereeing was so blatant that his rage was a bit understandable - I was pretty damn mad myself by the end of that game Saturday. If you've followed it at all, a lot of the mainstream sports media has commented on just how obviously biased the officiating was. Texas A&M - home of the "12th Man" and Saturday the 12th man wore zebra stripes and was particularly effective. The Aggie player who was caught on camera anal-fisting a Husker player, who was subsequently called for TWO personal fouls after trying to kick the attacker away - should be suspended - but of course he won't be.

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